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[tense music playing]
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[dramatic sting]
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[man speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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[woman speaking]
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It was just a matter of time
before someone really got hurt.
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[woman speaking]
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[audio glitching]
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[music intensifies, fades]
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[dispatcher speaking]
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[caller speaking]
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{\an8}[dispatcher] Yes.
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I'm sure that she was coming for me next.
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[music intensifies]
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[audio glitching]
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[mellow music playing]
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[woman] In 2016, I was living in Florida.
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[bicycle bell rings]
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My daughter and I were living together
near the beach.
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I was enjoying my job, hanging out
with some friends occasionally,
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spending a lot of time with family.
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Life was good.
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I was happy, actually, being single.
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Not really dating, maybe meeting
a few people from time to time.
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[keyboard clacking]
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One day, I was on Facebook.
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And I was in a few groups, singles groups.
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And I came across a lady
by the name of Joyce.
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She had a nice smile.
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And I liked her picture.
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Suddenly, I got a private message.
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And it happened to be Joyce.
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We exchanged phone numbers,
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and we started talking on the phone
for a while.
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We kind of bonded
over the similarities in our professions.
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I was a home health care aide at the time.
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And I found out that
she was a registered nurse.
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We talked, and we just really enjoyed
each other's conversations,
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and we decided after about a month
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that we would really like
to meet each other in person.
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Joyce was living in the Atlanta area
at the time.
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She said, "Hey, why don't you
come on up to Atlanta?"
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"I'll show you around."
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I was a little bit nervous,
but also excited.
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That first weekend that
Joyce and I spent together,
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we were staying at the Omni Hotel
in downtown Atlanta
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and just learned a lot more
about each other.
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She had told me that
she was legally married.
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{\an8}However, things were rocky
and complicated,
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{\an8}and she and her wife were separated.
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Joyce painted this beautiful picture
for me.
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She was very attractive.
She dressed very nicely.
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And when we would go out for dinner,
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she would pull out stacks of cash
out of her pocket
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and tell me I could have
whatever I wanted to eat or drink.
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Joyce also had told me that
she owned a hydrocolonic clinic
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that brought in quite a bit of money.
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So that was pretty impressive to me.
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She seemed to be very caring
and very generous.
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And she had everything
that I was hoping for.
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When it was time for me to go back home,
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we didn't really want to part ways.
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We really wanted to continue
to spend more time together.
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After I was dating Joyce
for about two months,
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she drove down to Florida
to my home to visit me.
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[crickets chirping]
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And we began talking about exes,
as you do sometimes in relationships.
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And Joyce proceeded to tell me that
a previous girlfriend had gone missing.
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She wasn't sure what happened to her.
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She had begun to cry.
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And she cried for just a minute,
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and then she seemed to get happy again
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and didn't talk about it anymore that day.
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I didn't really think much about it.
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But once Joyce went home,
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I thought it seemed a little strange.
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[crickets chirping]
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[Katie] A couple of months later,
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I went to visit her in Conyers, Georgia,
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{\an8}which is where Joyce was living.
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{\an8}She insisted that I stay in a hotel
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because she had family
staying in her home.
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And I was okay with it.
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I was just happy to see her again.
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During that visit,
Joyce seemed a little more subdued.
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So I asked her if she was okay,
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and she said she just had a lot
weighing on her mind.
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She couldn't stop thinking about
the girlfriend before her wife
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that had gone missing.
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I was thinking,
"Well, maybe this just happened recently."
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She said,
"Well, she went missing in 2011."
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That had been five years.
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She said that the police detectives
were contacting her
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and that they thought that
maybe she had some information
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as to what happened.
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I asked her if she knew what happened,
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and she was very adamant that
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she just disappeared
and never heard from her again.
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By this time, Joyce and I had been dating
for about six months,
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and she had brought up
this missing girlfriend about four times.
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[tense music playing]
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The more I listened, I finally learned
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that missing ex-girlfriend's name
was Shawndell.
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When I returned home, I thought,
"I'm going to find out what's going on."
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It just kind of seemed not normal
in my eyes.
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{\an8}New at 11, a family is desperate
for answers after a Lithonian woman
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{\an8}disappeared with no explanation
nearly five months ago.
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[Katie] I had seen several news stories
that were posted online
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about the missing case.
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[man] We believe in,
that, you know, somebody
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knew something and…
wanted this lady missing.
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[Katie] But the one
that really affected me the most
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{\an8}was the one where
they interviewed Shawndell's mother.
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{\an8}[crying] I'm just waiting and hoping
and praying.
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{\an8}[reporter] This is how Badicea McLeod
tells me she spends some days.
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{\an8}Looking out the window,
hoping for a sign of her daughter,
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35-year-old Shawndell McLeod.
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{\an8}No sign. No call. No trace.
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[Katie] Me being a mother myself,
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I could never imagine if my daughter
was missing and there were no answers.
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{\an8}She would never walk away from her family.
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[dramatic sting]
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[birds chirping and twittering]
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[gentle music playing]
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[man] When the Shawndell McLeod case
came to me in 2011,
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{\an8}I had been with Special Victims
and Domestic Violence Unit
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{\an8}of DeKalb County Police Department
for roughly 11 years.
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Well, after receiving the case,
I went to see the victim's mother.
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She said the last time
she spoke to her daughter was
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the day before she went missing.
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They was a tight-knit family.
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A day doesn't go by that
she don't speak to her daughter.
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I knew that this wasn't
just an average missing person case.
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This wasn't a case that
somebody actually got up
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and needed a break from their family
and walked away.
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This was something more serious than that.
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[music ends]
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{\an8}On the day Shawndell went missing,
Sunday, September 25th, 2011,
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she was supposed to report to work
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at a nursing home facility
where she was a cook.
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It was her responsibility
to open the kitchen.
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She never made it to work that morning.
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[tense music playing]
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When Shawndell's co-worker arrived
a few hours later,
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she found the back door slightly ajar,
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and all the lights
in the kitchen were off.
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[door squeaking]
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She was very scared at that point
and went to the management to report
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that Shawndell hadn't made it to work
and the back door was open.
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Shawndell is not someone who misses work.
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She was a very dedicated
and devoted employee.
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And when they weren't able to get her
on the phone, they were very concerned.
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[tense percussive music playing]
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Later that evening,
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Shawndell didn't show up
to a family dinner at her mother's house.
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So Shawndell's mother contacted
the police.
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When detectives started working the case,
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they immediately tried to determine
if there was any activity
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that would indicate that
Shawndell was alive
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and maybe had gone off on her own.
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They looked at Shawndell's bank account,
her credit cards, her telephone records.
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Nothing was found.
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[Detective Guest] I learned
while speaking to Miss McLeod
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that her daughter was involved
with a Joyce Pelzer.
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[Katie] After I learned more
about Shawndell,
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- I had Googled Joyce's name.
- [keyboard clacking]
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A news story popped up that immediately
listed her as a person of interest.
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I was taken aback.
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I wasn't quite sure
what it was that I was dealing with.
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Should I cut off contact?
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Is she a terrible person?
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[music intensifies, fades]
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But maybe what I'm reading isn't true.
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And at this point,
I had fallen in love with her
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and wanted to give her
the benefit of the doubt.
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Joyce told me that
Shawndell was the type of person
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that wanted a lot of nice things.
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{\an8}And so she and Shawndell
bought a house together.
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{\an8}Joyce told me that
Shawndell had good credit,
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but that Joyce had all the money,
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and so they decided that
Shawndell would get the loan in her name,
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but Joyce would pay for everything.
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According to Joyce,
she put all the money down on the house.
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She paid to have the house remodeled,
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new floors,
new lighting fixtures, new kitchen.
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Things seemed to be going well.
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But a short time later, Shawndell just
did not want to be with Joyce anymore.
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Shawndell wanted Joyce to leave.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[Shannon] Joyce was furious
that Shawndell broke up with her,
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that she had kicked her out of the home.
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In July, just mere months before
Shawndell went missing,
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Joyce was talking
to some of their mutual friends
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and seemed obsessed.
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Like, she couldn't leave it alone.
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She pleaded with their mutual friends
to get Shawndell to talk to her
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and made Shawndell feel
very uncomfortable.
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Joyce's behavior became really concerning.
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To the point where Shawndell got a gun.
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She was telling people
that if anything happened to her,
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that it was Joyce.
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Shawndell reported to the police
that Joyce had broken into the home
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that they used to live in together
and threatened to kill her.
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Shawndell had to get
a temporary protective order
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blocking Joyce Pelzer
from having any contact with Shawndell.
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From what Joyce told me,
when Shawndell was at work one day,
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Joyce decided to go
and take everything out of the house
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and just clean her out.
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[Shannon] She had taken everything
down to the light fixtures,
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the light plate covers.
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She took Shawndell's beloved cookbook
collection and threw it in the trash.
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This was someone doing
anything they could to cause pain.
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[music fades]
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[Detective Guest] After talking
to Shawndell's mother,
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it was plain to me that
this was a violent relationship.
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So I reached out to Miss Pelzer.
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I explained to her that
I need to speak to her.
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It's about Shawndell missing.
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She said she hadn't seen Shawndell
since they broke up.
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And she said she had moved out of the home
that her and Shawndell shared
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and had moved in with Miss Rosalyn Lewis.
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[intriguing music playing]
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[Shannon] Rosalyn Lewis was
a relationship that Joyce had
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during the course
of Shawndell and Joyce's relationship.
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[Detective Guest] But Joyce was sleeping
with both of them.
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Shawndell's mother was telling me this.
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Shawndell knew that
Joyce was out there doing something,
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and she just wanted out
of the relationship.
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After speaking to Miss Pelzer
on the phone,
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her and Rosalyn Lewis came into my office.
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[dramatic sting]
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{\an8}[pensive music playing]
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{\an8}[Detective Guest]
I interviewed Joyce first.
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[on tape] How do
you know Miss McLeod?
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[Joyce] We dated for about
five and a half, six years.
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When was the last time you seen her?
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About a couple of weeks ago.
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She had called me because she wanted
some stuff that I have in the storage.
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[Detective Guest] Hmm.
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- How was the conversation?
- [Joyce] It was fine.
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We hugged, chatted a little while.
She visited with the dogs.
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That was that.
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[Detective Guest] What broke y'all up?
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Uh, she just said
it wasn't working anymore,
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and she wanted something different.
I wanted something different.
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[Detective Guest] I didn't really see
a caring person
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that was in a relationship with somebody
for that length of time,
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and when I told them they was missing,
it was just, like, it didn't faze her.
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She said, "Well, she's not missing."
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She told me she was going back to
her country. She was tired of her family.
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And after interviewing the family,
I kind of figured that wasn't true.
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I explained to her that I need to know
the timeline of everything that happened
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when Miss McLeod went missing
September 25th, 2011.
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Okay. Let's go with the 25th.
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That's going to be Sunday.
What was yous doing?
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We woke up at, like, about 10-something.
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[Detective Guest]
What did you do after that?
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[Joyce] Watched TV.
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- Did you go out any time?
- Mm-mm.
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[Joyce clicks tongue] Nope.
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After getting her side of the story,
I spoke to Miss Lewis.
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Ros said they was together all day.
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They didn't leave the house.
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[dramatic sting]
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During this investigation,
we got a search warrant
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on Miss Pelzer's cell phone.
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We can't say for sure where Joyce was
when Shawndell went missing.
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But what we can say
from her telephone records
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is that she was out of her home network,
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and that is in direct contradiction
to what Joyce and Rosalyn told the police.
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So, I locked her up for false statement.
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At this point,
Joyce was my main person of interest.
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During this time,
I was monitoring her jail calls
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to see if I can just pick up
anything on this case.
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My thing was,
eventually, she's going to talk.
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But the lady was good. She said nothing.
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So, I had to let Miss Pelzer out
of the jail.
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Joyce told me that
the police asked to see her computer.
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But they found nothing.
And she kind of laughed and said,
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"Of course they didn't
because I have nothing to do with this."
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[Detective Guest] All of the evidence that
we gathered points right back to Joyce.
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But nobody's telling us how this lady
went missing or where she's at.
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[dramatic sting]
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00:17:26,503 --> 00:17:30,132
I worked this case strong for over a year,
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but I wasn't getting enough leads on it.
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[Shannon] It's always challenging
when you sort of feel in your gut that
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something has happened,
but you can't prove it.
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There wasn't a physical struggle
at her house.
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There wasn't a murder weapon.
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There wasn't any evidence anywhere else
that anything had happened to Shawndell.
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I stayed in contact
with Shawndell's mother.
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I just wanted to bring
some kind of closure to this family.
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I wasn't gonna stop looking for this girl.
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[dramatic sting]
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[Katie] The more times that
Joyce and I got together,
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the more I thought about
Shawndell going missing.
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I had never known anybody that had been
involved in a situation like this.
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00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:29,066
But the more that
she talked about Shawndell,
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she seemed to become more agitated,
more defensive.
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And a couple of times
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when I decided to ask Joyce
for a little bit more information,
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she would reply by saying,
"What are you, the cops?"
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I just kind of let it go.
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I didn't want to cause any problems.
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We still had a good time.
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She was very loving,
as long as I went along with
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whatever it was that she wanted to do.
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[dramatic sting]
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[Katie] The next time
that I went to visit her,
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I was sitting at her dining room table
with her and a couple of family members.
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She and one of the family members
got into a heated discussion.
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And the family member stood up
and looked at me
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to let me know that Joyce is a fraud
and a phony, and she uses people.
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And told me that I needed to be careful
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because Joyce was still involved
with her wife Rosalyn.
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[pensive music playing]
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Joyce had brought up Ros to me
on several occasions.
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But she had said that she was separated.
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When I asked her about the relationship,
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she said,
"Think whatever you want, Katie."
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I kind of got my answer
without really getting an answer.
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I then began to wonder what else is there?
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What else could she possibly lie about?
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[woman] My first impression of Joyce was
I didn't like her.
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[tense music playing]
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Rosalyn used to always tell me,
"Errica, you know, give her a try."
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"She's really nice.
I really like her. She's funny."
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And I was like, "You're being gullible,
and you can't see it."
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00:20:33,982 --> 00:20:38,195
{\an8}I don't know what's wrong with the woman,
but she's not everything.
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00:20:39,446 --> 00:20:44,451
Rosalyn to me is the big sister,
the friend, the confidante.
335
00:20:44,993 --> 00:20:46,828
She was everything to me.
336
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:50,832
We have a huge family.
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00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:54,544
And everyone cared for Joyce,
and they welcomed her in.
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00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:56,713
So she was a part of our family.
339
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{\an8}They were together for a very long time
before they got married.
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00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,930
{\an8}Rosalyn didn't share a lot with me
341
00:21:05,013 --> 00:21:10,102
{\an8}when it came to her relationship
with Joyce once they were married.
342
00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:11,728
But I always told my sister,
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00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:14,022
"Keep your head on a swivel."
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"And if anything go down,
even though I'm the little sister…"
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[laughs] "…I'm still your sister,
you know?"
346
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:25,033
So then she started telling me
that Joyce was cheating.
347
00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:26,952
And that's when I was like, whoa.
348
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{\an8}Joyce was lying about
where she was going,
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who she was going out with.
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Lies upon lies upon lies.
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Ros was… She was hurt.
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My sister went back because Joyce said,
"It will never happen again." You know?
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00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:47,180
She was very manipulative
and just lied about everything.
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[music fades]
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[Katie] After about a year
of Joyce and I seeing each other,
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Joyce seemed to want to be in control
of everything that we were doing.
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Where we would go to eat,
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if I was going to travel to Georgia
to see her
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or if she was going to come
and travel to see me.
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[sinister music playing]
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00:22:13,081 --> 00:22:15,709
We would still do things together.
362
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:21,590
But Joyce's demeanor seemed to be
increasingly aggressive as time went on.
363
00:22:23,216 --> 00:22:28,055
One day, I was visiting her
in Conyers at her home.
364
00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:31,475
And she decided to take a shower.
365
00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:33,560
[shower running]
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She got into the shower.
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00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:39,399
And I let her know that
I was going to go to the store
368
00:22:39,483 --> 00:22:41,276
and that I would be right back.
369
00:22:41,985 --> 00:22:43,403
[faucet squeaks]
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00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:46,114
As I walked through the house…
371
00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:51,870
Joyce came flying out of the shower,
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00:22:52,662 --> 00:22:56,291
grabbed me around my neck,
and told me that I was not going anywhere.
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00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:02,839
She then moved a little closer
to the kitchen counter
374
00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:07,469
and picked up a knife
and held that against my neck.
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00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:08,678
[dramatic sting]
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00:23:09,262 --> 00:23:11,098
Inside, I was afraid.
377
00:23:11,181 --> 00:23:14,434
But I never let her know
that I was afraid.
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00:23:14,518 --> 00:23:15,852
I just remained calm.
379
00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:20,649
She said, "You're not going to leave me."
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00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:24,111
"You don't leave
until I tell you you can leave."
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00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:29,408
And she kept squeezing my neck
tighter and tighter.
382
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:35,372
And I said, "Can you just let me go,
and we can go to the store?"
383
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:42,879
And she finally let me go.
She put the knife down on the counter.
384
00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:46,675
And then she turned around
and gave me a hug and started to laugh.
385
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,635
And she said, "You know I love you."
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00:23:50,053 --> 00:23:51,972
"You know I wouldn't do anything to you."
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00:23:53,265 --> 00:23:56,810
And she just proceeded about her day
388
00:23:56,893 --> 00:24:00,856
and acted as though none of that
even ever happened.
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00:24:02,732 --> 00:24:06,653
It was as if I was looking at somebody
that I had never seen before.
390
00:24:08,321 --> 00:24:12,451
From that point on,
I never showed Joyce any rejection
391
00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:15,829
for fear of something happening to me.
392
00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:19,499
One night…
393
00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:20,834
[indistinct TV chatter]
394
00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:22,335
…Joyce looked at me,
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00:24:22,836 --> 00:24:23,837
kind of worried.
396
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,046
[TV turns off]
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00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:30,093
And she said,
"Katie, I want to tell you something."
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00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,053
[ominous music playing]
399
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:33,847
"I killed Shawndell."
400
00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:36,683
[music intensifies]
401
00:24:36,766 --> 00:24:38,226
[audio glitching]
402
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:40,353
[music continues]
403
00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:45,233
Then she proceeded to tell me
what had actually happened.
404
00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:51,156
{\an8}Shawndell had gone to work
early in the morning,
405
00:24:51,239 --> 00:24:52,616
and it was still dark.
406
00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:59,664
Joyce had hired a hit man
to take Shawndell
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00:25:00,373 --> 00:25:03,585
and hold her hostage for a couple of days.
408
00:25:05,337 --> 00:25:10,467
They rented some heavy equipment
to dig a very large hole
409
00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:15,639
somewhere out in the North Georgia woods
where nobody would ever go.
410
00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:22,062
And then they took her
to the edge of this very large hole
411
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,106
and they tasered her,
412
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:29,986
which caused her
to fall down into this hole.
413
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:30,946
[body thuds]
414
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:35,534
And they covered up the hole with dirt
415
00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:38,620
and left her there.
416
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:47,837
After she shared
this very devastating news with me,
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00:25:48,421 --> 00:25:50,131
she dried her eyes
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00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,718
and just got right back
to being happy again.
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00:25:54,844 --> 00:25:58,807
And I knew this girl was crazy.
420
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,189
I didn't think about calling the police.
I was completely overwhelmed.
421
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:11,319
And, at that point,
I was pretty frightened.
422
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:15,532
I wasn't sure
what she was capable of next.
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00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:20,245
I decided that I should probably
distance myself from Joyce
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00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:25,625
and cut off ties as quickly
and as smoothly as I could.
425
00:26:27,043 --> 00:26:28,503
[music fades]
426
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:33,550
One day, I was out with some friends
near my home in Florida.
427
00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:37,345
And I got a phone call from my mother
428
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:40,890
that there was a detective
trying to get in touch with me.
429
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:46,104
And she gave me the phone number
of a Detective Guest.
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00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:51,276
[Shannon] Even though the case went cold,
Detective Guest never gave up on it.
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00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,321
{\an8}He researched and tracked Joyce's life.
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00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:57,365
Who she was seeing, where she was living.
433
00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,367
And he kept tabs on her.
434
00:26:59,909 --> 00:27:02,621
{\an8}This is a case I've been pushing for,
like, seven, eight years.
435
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:03,872
[pensive music playing]
436
00:27:03,955 --> 00:27:08,877
Finally, I discovered that Joyce had been
in a relationship with Katie Long.
437
00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:15,342
I wanted to see if Joyce actually just
said anything to Katie about her past.
438
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:19,763
[Katie] Detective Guest let me know
439
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,516
that he was investigating
a missing persons case.
440
00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:29,939
He wanted to know if I knew anything
about Shawndell going missing.
441
00:27:30,607 --> 00:27:31,650
And I said yes.
442
00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:37,614
So I met with Detective Guest
in August 2018.
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00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,500
[Detective Guest speaking]
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00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:55,006
[Katie speaking]
445
00:28:05,308 --> 00:28:07,352
[Detective Guest speaking]
446
00:28:07,435 --> 00:28:09,270
[Katie speaking]
447
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,733
[Detective Guest] Mm-hmm.
448
00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:16,277
[Katie speaking]
449
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:18,655
[Detective Guest speaking]
450
00:28:18,738 --> 00:28:25,495
[Katie speaking]
451
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:36,923
What Miss Long gave us
was a new beginning.
452
00:28:38,007 --> 00:28:40,969
I believe Katie Long did not reach out
to the police
453
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:43,138
because she was scared of Miss Pelzer.
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00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:45,557
I told her to be careful.
455
00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:50,478
You didn't leave Joyce Pelzer.
Joyce did not like rejection.
456
00:28:52,188 --> 00:28:55,150
[interviewer] And what would happen
if you left Joyce Pelzer?
457
00:28:55,233 --> 00:28:57,652
Mm… What happened to Shawndell McLeod.
458
00:28:58,361 --> 00:28:59,487
[audio glitching]
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00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:03,158
[Katie] After my interview
with Detective Guest,
460
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:07,912
he asked me to keep in touch with Joyce
as much as I could
461
00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:12,542
as long as I was comfortable
and felt safe to do so.
462
00:29:13,877 --> 00:29:17,255
I had built a rapport with her,
where she did trust me
463
00:29:17,338 --> 00:29:20,550
and felt comfortable
to share information with me.
464
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:27,015
I wanted Katie to record
her conversation with Miss Pelzer.
465
00:29:27,098 --> 00:29:28,808
And she agreed to it.
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00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:35,815
I was actually happy to do so
because any little bit of information
467
00:29:35,899 --> 00:29:40,528
might help to either solve a situation
468
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:43,072
or prevent something further
from happening.
469
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:46,910
[dramatic sting]
470
00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:47,911
[phone vibrating]
471
00:29:47,994 --> 00:29:51,956
[Katie] Joyce called me one late afternoon
and let me know
472
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,835
that she was going to take
a little road trip to New Orleans.
473
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,837
[tense music playing]
474
00:29:57,921 --> 00:30:00,799
She said, "There's just something
I have to take care of,
475
00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:03,510
and it's going to be taken care of."
476
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:09,349
I knew that Joyce was referring
to her estranged wife Rosalyn
477
00:30:09,432 --> 00:30:13,144
because she had told me that
she had relocated to New Orleans.
478
00:30:14,437 --> 00:30:17,899
[Errica] Ros had come to New Orleans
to take care of my dad.
479
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:20,985
{\an8}At that time,
her and Joyce were already separated.
480
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:23,196
{\an8}She'd already told her
she wanted a divorce.
481
00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:30,036
In Rosalyn's and Joyce's marriage
and financial situation,
482
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:32,372
Rosalyn did hold down the fort.
483
00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:37,794
Joyce was lying about her jobs,
lying about going to work,
484
00:30:37,877 --> 00:30:39,337
not paying some of the bills.
485
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,882
So Rosalyn, she cut all the lights off.
486
00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:48,221
She done stopped paying utilities.
Rosalyn took her name off the lease.
487
00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:53,226
Joyce was calling billions
and billions of times,
488
00:30:53,726 --> 00:30:55,144
telling her to come home,
489
00:30:55,228 --> 00:30:58,064
she missed her wife, she's sorry.
490
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,026
But Rosalyn, she was fed up,
and she was done.
491
00:31:02,902 --> 00:31:06,114
Up until that point,
Ros had never mentioned that
492
00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:08,533
Joyce could be dangerous.
493
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:12,412
[music intensifies, fades]
494
00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:16,165
[Katie] On that phone call,
Joyce started to tell me
495
00:31:16,249 --> 00:31:19,127
about a little .25 handgun
496
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:23,006
that she had purchased
from a guy off the streets in Atlanta.
497
00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:25,466
[unsettling music playing]
498
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:29,429
So I went and grabbed my old cell phone.
499
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:36,102
I put the phone call on speaker
and recorded with my other phone.
500
00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:40,023
She seemed to be on a mission.
501
00:31:46,487 --> 00:31:47,322
[Katie speaking]
502
00:31:53,786 --> 00:31:57,874
[Joyce speaking]
503
00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:04,505
[Katie speaking]
504
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,174
[Joyce speaking]
505
00:32:06,257 --> 00:32:08,718
[music intensifies, fades]
506
00:32:08,801 --> 00:32:10,845
[Detective Guest] In the tape,
Joyce is telling Katie
507
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:14,307
she's gonna lure Rosalyn back to Georgia,
508
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:16,559
get a hotel room, and when she pulls up,
509
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,728
get in the car with her
and just shoot her.
510
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:21,439
She also says,
511
00:32:21,522 --> 00:32:27,153
"I wanted to call Detective Guest
and tell him that Ros killed Shawndell."
512
00:32:27,737 --> 00:32:30,990
So Joyce was going to set up Ros
to take the fall
513
00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:32,659
for Shawndell McLeod's murder.
514
00:32:33,868 --> 00:32:36,412
[Katie] When I was recording
the phone call,
515
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:42,877
I was becoming increasingly nervous
about something happening to Ros.
516
00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:45,338
I knew that she was serious.
517
00:32:47,382 --> 00:32:49,926
After I spoke with Joyce on the phone,
518
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:54,222
I thought that Ros should know
what Joyce's plans were.
519
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:57,850
So I contacted her through Facebook.
520
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:04,524
Being the other woman, I was thinking
maybe she would be angry with me.
521
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:08,277
But she, in fact,
was very willing to talk to me.
522
00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,657
I told her that I thought that
Joyce was after her.
523
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:17,370
I said, "She's on her way there,
and she's looking for you."
524
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:24,502
Ros was very adamant about
going to the police station immediately.
525
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:28,381
[dramatic sting]
526
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,091
{\an8}[indistinct chatter]
527
00:33:30,174 --> 00:33:31,092
{\an8}Okay.
528
00:33:33,302 --> 00:33:36,639
[Rosalyn] My wife is here in town.
529
00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:40,435
She threatened me a few weeks back.
530
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:44,022
Her… Well, I guess now
it's her ex-girlfriend,
531
00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:46,190
because the woman
don't mess with her anymore,
532
00:33:46,274 --> 00:33:50,403
called me and said that Joyce is in town,
533
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:53,656
and she says that she's going to kill you.
534
00:33:56,409 --> 00:34:01,039
And when I pulled in my parents' driveway,
as I was backing up into the driveway,
535
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,207
I saw her start her car and come that way.
536
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,836
She had her head turned,
but I know what she looks like.
537
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:10,965
We had been together for 14 years,
so I definitely know what she looks like.
538
00:34:11,507 --> 00:34:14,302
I'm thinking I should have called
the police a long fucking time ago.
539
00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:17,263
[disturbing music playing]
540
00:34:17,346 --> 00:34:20,600
[Errica] The night that
Joyce drove down to New Orleans,
541
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:24,187
Joyce thought that
only Ros was at home with my dad.
542
00:34:24,687 --> 00:34:28,066
But once she got there,
I had cousins that was also there.
543
00:34:28,858 --> 00:34:31,861
And I think that's what spooked her
and scared her away.
544
00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:37,658
[Rosalyn] Y'all need to find where she is
because I don't know what her plans are,
545
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:39,368
because she threatened to kill me.
546
00:34:39,452 --> 00:34:41,454
[tense music playing]
547
00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:49,337
[Rosalyn sniffles]
548
00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:52,006
[exhales deeply]
549
00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:57,345
[crying] I don't know what I could've done
to make her do this.
550
00:34:58,387 --> 00:35:00,014
I've been good to this woman.
551
00:35:01,891 --> 00:35:03,976
And for her to try to kill me now.
552
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,062
Kill me, period.
553
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,148
I'm not understanding.
554
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:16,656
It's frightening to know that someone
who my sister brought into our life
555
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:19,617
could potentially want to harm her.
556
00:35:20,993 --> 00:35:23,412
At that point for me,
that's when it got real.
557
00:35:23,996 --> 00:35:25,998
I didn't know the extent
of how crazy Joyce was.
558
00:35:26,082 --> 00:35:28,126
[music intensifies]
559
00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:29,627
[dramatic sting]
560
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,712
[pensive music playing]
561
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,466
[Detective Guest] Katie called Rosalyn
and told her that
562
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,844
she probably needed to call
Detective Guest.
563
00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:42,014
At this point, Ros is afraid for her life.
564
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,518
I drove all night getting to New Orleans.
565
00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:48,938
When I got to town, I went to Ros's house.
566
00:35:49,021 --> 00:35:51,607
I said, "Well, why?
Why does she want to kill you?"
567
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:54,318
I said, "What do you think?
Why does she want to kill you?"
568
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:58,781
Rosalyn Lewis was so fearful of Joyce,
she told me nothing.
569
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:03,035
She, uh… She told me nothing
about Shawndell McLeod's case,
570
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,538
uh, Joyce's involvement in that.
571
00:36:05,621 --> 00:36:07,039
She… She said nothing.
572
00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:10,918
I told Ros she needed to be careful.
573
00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:14,172
'Cause she's gonna be
coming after you next.
574
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:18,134
[Errica] Rosalyn wanted a divorce
from Joyce.
575
00:36:18,217 --> 00:36:22,263
She said, "I'm never going back.
She's lied to me too many times."
576
00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:23,639
"She won't stop cheating."
577
00:36:23,723 --> 00:36:25,057
"She's crazy."
578
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:29,395
But Joyce was not willing
to sign those papers.
579
00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,398
Her whole thing was,
"Rosalyn, I'm going to do better."
580
00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:35,735
"I will be a better wife.
I will be a better friend."
581
00:36:35,818 --> 00:36:39,739
"I will be a better lover.
So let's give us another chance."
582
00:36:42,575 --> 00:36:45,453
[Katie] Several months later,
Joyce called me,
583
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:46,829
and she was pretty upset.
584
00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:53,044
I tried to get any other information
out of her that I could,
585
00:36:53,836 --> 00:36:57,215
but she just wasn't doing
a whole lot of talking.
586
00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:02,094
And she let me know
she was going to go back to her wife
587
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:04,555
and for me to never call her again.
588
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:08,059
[Errica] She didn't want Rosalyn to go.
589
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:09,727
Rosalyn was adamant.
590
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,979
She was like,
"I'm just gonna fly up there,
591
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,190
and I'm going to
make her sign these papers."
592
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:18,236
And I remember telling her,
"Rosalyn, are you crazy?"
593
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:23,699
"No, you're not going to go fly anywhere
where Joyce is to get her to sign papers."
594
00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:26,744
"This girl can be crazy,
and you don't know what she would do."
595
00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:28,996
No, absolutely not.
596
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:31,749
[inhales, exhales deeply]
597
00:37:31,832 --> 00:37:34,877
[dramatic sting]
598
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,506
[intriguing music playing]
599
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:39,423
[dialing]
600
00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:41,175
[line ringing]
601
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,809
[dispatcher speaking]
602
00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:53,688
[caller speaking]
603
00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:59,610
[dispatcher speaking]
604
00:37:59,694 --> 00:38:00,653
[dramatic sting]
605
00:38:00,736 --> 00:38:02,655
[sirens wailing]
606
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:09,412
[man] On December 10th, at about 10:35,
607
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:12,748
Conyers Police received a call
of a trouble unknown
608
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:15,710
{\an8}at the Motel 6
located in the city of Conyers.
609
00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,421
They said it was a stabbing.
610
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:20,548
[dramatic sting]
611
00:38:20,631 --> 00:38:22,425
[suspenseful music playing]
612
00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:26,262
When I arrived, the first responding
officer was already there.
613
00:38:26,345 --> 00:38:27,179
[audio glitching]
614
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:30,016
[indistinct chatter]
615
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,894
[officer] She's bleeding profusely
from the abdomen.
616
00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:36,897
[Clay] We was able to identify the female
as Rosalyn.
617
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,025
[officer] Ros, listen to me.
618
00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:40,276
[Rosalyn groaning]
619
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:42,403
[officer] I need you to hold still, okay?
620
00:38:42,486 --> 00:38:43,612
You're okay.
621
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:45,906
I need you to hold still, okay?
622
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:48,576
[Clay] Rosalyn is laying in the doorway.
623
00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,828
Blood's on the door.
It's all over the room.
624
00:38:50,911 --> 00:38:53,831
[officer] 598 radio,
we've got multiple stab wounds.
625
00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:58,085
She's in and out of consciousness,
breathing pretty heavily at this time.
626
00:38:58,794 --> 00:39:01,255
We knew we had a serious situation
that had happened,
627
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:04,425
and it didn't look very promising
for Rosalyn at the time.
628
00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:06,218
[officer] Ros!
629
00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:08,054
Who did this?
630
00:39:08,554 --> 00:39:10,389
- [Rosalyn faintly] Joyce.
- [female officer] Who?
631
00:39:10,973 --> 00:39:12,641
- [Rosalyn] Joyce.
- Joyce?
632
00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:16,020
- [Rosalyn] Yeah.
- Okay. Do you know Joyce's last name?
633
00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:17,313
[Rosalyn] Pelzer.
634
00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:19,398
- [officer] Pelzer?
- [Rosalyn] Yes.
635
00:39:20,107 --> 00:39:22,651
- [officer] Who is she to you?
- [faintly] My wife.
636
00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:24,612
She's your wife?
637
00:39:24,695 --> 00:39:26,405
- [Rosalyn mutters incoherently]
- Okay.
638
00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:29,700
You're doing good.
Just hang tight for me, okay?
639
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:32,536
[dramatic sting]
640
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:36,707
[Clay] Once I learned that Ros
was stabbed by a female named Joyce,
641
00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:38,292
who was her wife,
642
00:39:38,376 --> 00:39:40,252
I then started assigning duties
643
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:43,089
for people to try to identify
who Joyce was.
644
00:39:43,172 --> 00:39:44,757
[sirens wailing]
645
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,552
Meanwhile, EMS had arrived
and were attending to Rosalyn.
646
00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:51,972
She was really fighting hard for her life.
647
00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,307
She was definitely a fighter.
648
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,643
[indistinct chatter]
649
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,521
[suspenseful music playing]
650
00:39:58,604 --> 00:40:01,941
[Clay] Once we were able to get Rosalyn
to the ambulance,
651
00:40:02,608 --> 00:40:05,027
we could really investigate
the crime scene.
652
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:11,867
It was obvious it was a violent attack
inside that room.
653
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:17,206
We did observe a knife laying on the floor
that was covered in blood.
654
00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:22,294
It was one of the worst crime scenes
I've been on.
655
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,216
Reviewing the video of the room,
656
00:40:27,299 --> 00:40:29,718
you could tell by the movement
of the curtains
657
00:40:29,802 --> 00:40:32,638
that there was an outright fight
inside the room.
658
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:34,807
It almost appeared at one point
659
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:37,768
that someone was trying to yell
through the window,
660
00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:42,606
because a curtain held open for a moment
before it quickly closed back.
661
00:40:43,607 --> 00:40:47,611
The door opens and Joyce exits the room,
662
00:40:47,695 --> 00:40:50,948
and Rosalyn falls to the ground
inside the doorway.
663
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:56,412
I observed Joyce walking toward
her vehicle on the sidewalk
664
00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:59,457
with no shoes on
and only was wearing socks.
665
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,128
She then got into a little trot
to her car,
666
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:08,007
where she got in the car and then exited
the parking lot at a high rate of speed.
667
00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:09,967
[tires screeching]
668
00:41:14,346 --> 00:41:18,517
Rosalyn had been stabbed 34 times
by Joyce.
669
00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:21,270
She was transported to the hospital,
670
00:41:21,353 --> 00:41:24,273
but unfortunately
she succumbed to her injuries.
671
00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:27,401
[music fades]
672
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:30,988
I was home with some friends,
and I get a phone call
673
00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:32,531
[somber music playing]
674
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:37,244
to find out that
my sister had been murdered by Joyce.
675
00:41:38,913 --> 00:41:41,373
{\an8}The most horrific phone call
I've ever gotten.
676
00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:51,008
It didn't register in my head that Joyce
could have stabbed my sister to death.
677
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:54,803
[poignant music playing]
678
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:56,889
I can't even scream
679
00:41:58,265 --> 00:42:02,186
because I'm so numb, I'm so in disbelief.
680
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,440
This is a dream,
and someone is lying to me.
681
00:42:07,441 --> 00:42:08,734
It wasn't a dream.
682
00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,279
Joyce murdered my sister in cold blood.
683
00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:14,740
[music fades]
684
00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:17,910
[Clay] About three hours
after the initial call to the hotel,
685
00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:20,913
we were working a full-blown
murder investigation at this point.
686
00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:26,293
What we had learned was, Joyce had
kind of lured Rosalyn to the hotel room.
687
00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:30,172
Rosalyn went there,
what we feel was the intent,
688
00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,925
to serve divorce papers on Joyce.
689
00:42:33,425 --> 00:42:35,469
[pensive music playing]
690
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:39,431
[Errica] Could that have provoked Joyce
to stab my sister
691
00:42:41,809 --> 00:42:46,188
I believe that rage came from somewhere,
692
00:42:46,272 --> 00:42:48,566
and she unleashed it on my sister.
693
00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:51,151
[dramatic sting]
694
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:53,112
[dramatic music playing]
695
00:42:53,195 --> 00:42:56,115
[Clay] We have no idea
where Joyce may be headed,
696
00:42:56,198 --> 00:42:59,410
but we needed to make sure
we could find her as fast as possible.
697
00:43:00,661 --> 00:43:02,705
We obtained the phone number for Joyce,
698
00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:08,168
and we contacted the phone company
and requested a ping on the phone
699
00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:11,171
so we can determine the direction
that she may be traveling.
700
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,425
While we were waiting
to get the ping back from the phone,
701
00:43:14,508 --> 00:43:19,263
we found out that she had a past
with a female identified as Katie Long.
702
00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:25,978
{\an8}When our ping returned
about two hours after the request,
703
00:43:26,562 --> 00:43:31,275
the phone pings indicated to us that
Joyce was headed south toward Florida.
704
00:43:33,777 --> 00:43:37,823
We learned that Katie Long
resided in Florida.
705
00:43:38,365 --> 00:43:41,410
We were afraid that
her life may be in danger
706
00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:44,121
because she knows
she had killed Shawndell.
707
00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:45,873
[music fades]
708
00:43:45,956 --> 00:43:48,876
[Katie] My phone starts to ring,
and it's Joyce.
709
00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:51,045
I did not answer the call.
710
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:52,504
[tense music playing]
711
00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:55,090
[Clay] We continued to get pings
on Joyce's phone.
712
00:43:56,342 --> 00:43:59,011
Every ping we got,
she was getting closer to Florida.
713
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:04,850
She continued to call
approximately 25 times.
714
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,769
[police siren wailing]
715
00:44:06,852 --> 00:44:11,815
[Clay] Georgia State Patrol saw
Joyce Pelzer's vehicle on I-75 south
716
00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:14,234
and attempted
to initiate a traffic stop on her.
717
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:16,320
[sirens continue wailing]
718
00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:21,867
She refuses to stop
and began to increase her speed.
719
00:44:24,286 --> 00:44:27,956
Georgia State Patrol decided to initiate
a pit maneuver on the car.
720
00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:30,626
[loud bang, crash]
721
00:44:30,709 --> 00:44:31,919
[tires screeching]
722
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:39,760
When Georgia State Patrol
got Joyce's car immobilized
723
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:41,804
and they were approaching the vehicle,
724
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:48,602
Joyce raises a gun and points it
toward the direction of the officers.
725
00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:51,271
They begin to open fire on the vehicle…
726
00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:53,357
[guns firing]
727
00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,322
…striking Joyce one time in the neck.
728
00:45:02,157 --> 00:45:06,995
At approximately 2:30 p.m.,
the calls stopped.
729
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,081
[siren wailing]
730
00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:15,796
[Clay] Joyce did not die
from the gunshot wound.
731
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:20,259
She was transported to a local hospital
for treatment of her injuries.
732
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,638
[Detective Guest] When she didn't die
from that incident,
733
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,015
it was like the lady had nine lives.
734
00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:33,772
[Katie] On early Tuesday morning,
December 11th, 2018,
735
00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:36,859
I got a phone call from Detective Guest.
736
00:45:38,026 --> 00:45:44,867
And all he said was, "Ros is dead.
Joyce is in custody. I will be in touch."
737
00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:52,416
I couldn't wrap my head around the fact
that she killed Ros.
738
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,961
I couldn't wrap my head around
the fact that
739
00:45:56,044 --> 00:46:00,424
she could have been coming
to also kill me.
740
00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:03,135
[dramatic sting]
741
00:46:03,218 --> 00:46:05,512
[Clay] Once she was able to be released
from the hospital,
742
00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:07,806
she was then transported
to Rockdale County Jail
743
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,893
for the charge of murder of Rosalyn.
744
00:46:12,394 --> 00:46:14,396
[Detective Guest]
Now that Joyce is in jail,
745
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,734
and I had the opportunity
to interview her once again,
746
00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,737
hopefully she would,
at this point, tell me
747
00:46:21,820 --> 00:46:24,782
what exactly happened to Shawndell McLeod.
748
00:46:47,054 --> 00:46:48,096
[Detective Guest speaking]
749
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,891
[Joyce speaking]
750
00:46:54,436 --> 00:46:57,481
[Detective Guest speaking]
751
00:47:01,985 --> 00:47:03,654
[Joyce speaking]
752
00:47:04,571 --> 00:47:05,572
[Detective Guest] Mmm.
753
00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:07,741
[Joyce speaking]
754
00:47:09,201 --> 00:47:11,537
[Shannon] Joyce ends up telling the police
755
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:16,333
{\an8}exactly what she said she was going to do
in the phone call to Katie Long.
756
00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:20,587
She blamed Rosalyn, and she said that
she was just a bystander.
757
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,214
But no one believed it.
758
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:28,136
[Errica] The allegations that
Joyce have made toward my sister
759
00:47:28,637 --> 00:47:33,392
is the most disrespectful, beyond evil.
760
00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:36,520
And the reason why
you're blaming things on Rosalyn
761
00:47:36,603 --> 00:47:38,981
is because she's not here
to defend herself.
762
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:43,443
Do I believe that Rosalyn had anything
to do with Shawndell's murder?
763
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:44,528
Absolutely not.
764
00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:54,496
[Detective Guest speaking]
765
00:47:55,455 --> 00:47:57,791
[Detective Guest] After we did a search
on Arabia Mountain,
766
00:47:58,750 --> 00:48:01,879
we didn't find Shawndell's body there.
767
00:48:02,504 --> 00:48:03,589
We found nothing.
768
00:48:05,048 --> 00:48:10,554
But I felt I had enough evidence
to charge Joyce Pelzer
769
00:48:10,637 --> 00:48:12,764
for the murder of, uh, Shawndell McLeod.
770
00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:19,187
[dramatic sting]
771
00:48:19,688 --> 00:48:21,356
[tense music playing]
772
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,445
[Shannon] Ultimately, Joyce Pelzer took
a plea offer out in Rockdale County
773
00:48:26,528 --> 00:48:30,407
to the murder charges
involving Rosalyn Lewis.
774
00:48:32,492 --> 00:48:35,245
[Errica] Went to the hearing
for her to be sentenced.
775
00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:40,125
When Joyce walked out of the doors
into the courtroom,
776
00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:42,878
she showed no signs of remorse.
777
00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:47,758
When she was asked to say something,
she held her head down,
778
00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:49,843
and she never answered.
779
00:48:50,802 --> 00:48:57,726
You're sitting there in a courtroom
with people who adored Rosalyn,
780
00:48:58,435 --> 00:49:01,188
and you don't have anything to say
to this family?
781
00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:04,441
Not even a "I'm sorry."
782
00:49:07,235 --> 00:49:08,278
[inhales sharply]
783
00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:10,864
You should rot in jail
for the rest of your life.
784
00:49:13,033 --> 00:49:15,035
[dramatic sting]
785
00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:17,663
[mellow music playing]
786
00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:29,341
[Shannon] After Joyce was sentenced,
787
00:49:29,424 --> 00:49:34,137
Detective Guest came back to the DeKalb
County District Attorney's office
788
00:49:34,221 --> 00:49:36,556
and asked us to take another look
789
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,851
at the suspected murder
of Shawndell McLeod.
790
00:49:40,727 --> 00:49:43,563
Detective Guest pointed out to us
791
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:48,193
that we now had a third-party confession
from Katie Long.
792
00:49:48,276 --> 00:49:51,279
I knew that we had a case
that we could present to a jury.
793
00:49:52,698 --> 00:49:58,370
It was the state's theory
that Joyce was enraged about the breakup,
794
00:49:58,453 --> 00:49:59,871
about losing the home,
795
00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:03,166
and had decided to seek revenge.
796
00:50:04,501 --> 00:50:07,796
We believe that
Shawndell was kidnapped from her work
797
00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:09,965
and then held for some amount of time
798
00:50:10,048 --> 00:50:13,677
before ultimately being taken
to the Arabia Mountain area,
799
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,762
where she was killed and buried.
800
00:50:16,596 --> 00:50:21,476
No body was recovered,
but at this point, we have motive,
801
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,103
we have opportunity,
802
00:50:23,186 --> 00:50:25,439
and we have a confession.
803
00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:30,152
[dramatic sting]
804
00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:32,237
[soft percussion music playing]
805
00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:36,825
[Katie] In November 2023,
I attended Joyce's trial
806
00:50:36,908 --> 00:50:42,456
and testified against her regarding
her confession in the murder of Shawndell.
807
00:50:43,999 --> 00:50:47,377
{\an8}I had not seen Joyce since 2018.
808
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,467
I was sitting in the stand watching her
walk across the courtroom floor…
809
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:54,384
[chains rattling]
810
00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:58,180
…being escorted by two guards,
811
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:02,476
with chains around her ankles
and handcuffs on her arms.
812
00:51:03,435 --> 00:51:08,273
And it was very chilling… for me,
813
00:51:08,356 --> 00:51:13,737
very emotional to see her
in a completely different light
814
00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:17,491
than the day that I had met her.
815
00:51:19,326 --> 00:51:23,538
When I was on the stand
and answering questions,
816
00:51:23,622 --> 00:51:27,334
I actually stopped in the middle
and broke down.
817
00:51:29,419 --> 00:51:32,964
She never looked up from the table,
not once.
818
00:51:33,048 --> 00:51:34,925
[dramatic sting]
819
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:39,930
[gentle music playing]
820
00:51:43,558 --> 00:51:46,603
[Shannon] Shawndell's family
will never get her back,
821
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:52,150
and this verdict and the sentence
that Joyce will have to serve
822
00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:53,985
doesn't change that.
823
00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:59,241
But there is now some measure of justice.
824
00:52:01,368 --> 00:52:04,246
[Detective Guest] This case is important
to me because I'm a father myself.
825
00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:05,288
I have daughters.
826
00:52:05,372 --> 00:52:09,626
And if one of my kids went missing,
God forbid,
827
00:52:10,877 --> 00:52:15,423
I would want somebody to work it
the same way that I worked it.
828
00:52:16,299 --> 00:52:20,846
No parent should have to lose a child
in the hands of somebody else
829
00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:25,350
and not let it be investigated
all the way through.
830
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,607
[Katie] I feel very lucky
to be alive today.
831
00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:40,115
I am extremely confident that
after Joyce carried out the murder of Ros,
832
00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:43,368
I'm sure that she was coming for me next.
833
00:52:45,328 --> 00:52:51,168
I am mostly back to my old self.
Happy, enjoying life.
834
00:52:51,251 --> 00:52:53,837
I will be honest and say that
835
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,592
the situation with Joyce
still to this day affects my life.
836
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:05,140
I don't think it's something
that I will ever completely get over…
837
00:53:07,225 --> 00:53:09,853
but I have learned to cope with it.
838
00:53:13,148 --> 00:53:14,191
[music fades]
839
00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,276
[dark percussive music playing]
840
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:40,026
[music ends]